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Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You are about to hear from Kyle Harrison, who I've been trying to get on this podcast forever now. His list of accomplishments are unbelievable. Obviously, the face of lacrosse. Now professional lacrosse 2005 Tewaaraton Award winner as the world's best lacrosse player. 2005 NCAA Division I Men's Lacrosse Champion. 2005, he led the Johns Hopkins University to an undefeated season, two times McLaughlin Award winner to the best midfielder in the country, three times top five Tewaaraton Award winner. 2003 second team All-American. 10-time professional lacrosse All-Star. One-time professional lacrosse champion. Two-time national team player for the United States of America. He's a member of the Maryland US Lacrosse Hall of Fame. He's a member of the Johns Hopkins Hall of Fame. He is instrumental in the founding of the Premier Lacrosse League, CEO of Fivestar, owner and founder of EighteenTwelve. Kyle Harrison has so much to share with you about how to succeed at elite levels on the field, but also off the field. We're gonna learn a ton. I can't wait for you to listen in on my conversation with Kyle Harrison. Welcome back to the True Sports Physical Therapy Podcast. I got Kyle Harrison with us finally.

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Kyle Harrison: Stop.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Dude, I've been hounding you forever to be on this podcast.

Kyle Harrison: I don't know if that's true.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: It's not true at all.

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Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: It took one text. Kyle's like, "Yeah, I can do... "

Kyle Harrison: I said, "I'm here. I got nothing else to do."

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: "I can do it any day, any day you want, any time you want."

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Right. Yep.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Kyle Harrison, for those who don't know, you've played some lacrosse in your life.

Kyle Harrison: I played for a handful of years.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Handful of games. Handful of years.

Kyle Harrison: Yep. All that.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Started a couple of businesses.

Kyle Harrison: A handful.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You have so much to share with this sports physical therapy world and community. We can't wait to hear from you. Here's a little bit of a rundown.

Kyle Harrison: Please.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: 2005, you win the Tewaaraton Award.

Kyle Harrison: It's a good year.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Good year. 2005. You are an NCAA champion. You went undefeated, for the Johns Hopkins University.

Kyle Harrison: It's a spot. It's a nice spot.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Not to be confused with John Hopkins. It drove me insane when you let people say that.

Kyle Harrison: Well, what am I supposed to do?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Johns. Johns. Johns...

Kyle Harrison: No, I'm saying in a public environment and someone says "John Hopkins," you gotta let it go. You can maybe tell them later, but...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You make a good point. Do you tell them later?

Kyle Harrison: Yeah, for sure. Like, "Throw an S next time you say that."

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Throw an S. Okay. You were a two-time McLaughlin Award winner.

Kyle Harrison: I was.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Was that pronounced correctly? McLaughlin?

Kyle Harrison: You nailed it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Hell, yeah.

Kyle Harrison: Nailed it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Which is given to college's best...

Kyle Harrison: Midfielder.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Midfielder. Three-time top five Tewaaraton finalist. 2003 second team All-American. I don't know how you didn't make first.

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Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: 10-time professional lacrosse All-Star. One-time professional lacrosse champion. Two-time national player for the United States of America.

Kyle Harrison: That's right.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Member of the Maryland US Lacrosse Chapter Hall of Fame. Member of the Johns Hopkins...

Kyle Harrison: Attaboy.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Hall of Fame. You've done a few things.

Kyle Harrison: A handful of things.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Let me tell you what doesn't get enough run.

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Kyle Harrison: Oh no. Go on.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: In 2013, Beats Electronics...

Kyle Harrison: Sure.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Creates personalized custom headphones designed for a select few celebrities.

Kyle Harrison: That's right.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That included...

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Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: LeBron James, Wayne Rooney, Justin Bieber. You always did remind me of Justin Bieber. Kobe Bryant, Lady Gaga, and...

Kyle Harrison: Go on.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That's it.

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Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And Kyle Harrison. Dude, it's really incredible to see what you've accomplished because I've known you since probably 1999.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And just watching you along the way has been incredible and eye-opening and humbling. 'Cause very often I'm like, "God damn it... "

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Kyle Harrison: Stop.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I remember seeing you in Sports Illustrated.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I remember you really becoming the face of lacrosse, and now the face of, I'd say, sports entrepreneurship, which is really awesome.

Kyle Harrison: I appreciate that.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: So tell me this...

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Which of your attributes do you credit for all of this success?

Kyle Harrison: That's a tough starting question. Honestly, I think I'd have to say it's how I was raised. I think when you think about, when you're talking about athletics and what we've learned in a locker room or on a field, there's a ton of stuff, perseverance, overcoming adversity, all those things. But I think, before I even got there, it was what my parents taught me, and it's about how you treat people, and the relationships you build, with expecting nothing in return, just being a decent human being. And I think for me, even the comment you just made about that Beats thing, it's hysterical, 'cause that all came to be just based on a cat named Jay Corbin that I met that was running the show at Beats at the time, and we hit it off. And he was just a good dude. And because we developed that relationship, he put me in that situation with that list of athletes that I had no business being on a list with when you look at our sports. But he rolled out the red carpet, had those headphones designed, had a whole thing in the Beats store in New York. And that was just all based on our relationship. So I guess, I'd say just how I was raised, be good to people.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Be good to people. I've seen you really embody that. And this is what I wanted to get across. 'Cause, dude, we could geek out about your lacrosse accolades. And I think that's really interesting. I'm sure that'll come up. We could geek out about your business accolades, but it's the merging of those two things that I think the entrepreneur, or even the young sports physical therapists listening to this podcast can take away. What I've learned is, people that are successful in their field, it doesn't matter what that field is, they have common attributes, and that's a great one, which is, treat everyone with respect and connect.

Kyle Harrison: One of the best.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: At least that's what I have heard. I have seen you do this, really, time and again. And you did it to me the first time you walked in for rehab. You probably did...

Kyle Harrison: At the old spot.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: At the old spot...

Kyle Harrison: Yeah, I remember. Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: In Fells Point, in the church.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: A couple of things that I remember very clearly about that interaction. Number one, you remember what you were wearing? It'd be weird if you did, but I remember.

Kyle Harrison: I don't. Well...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Go ahead. You remember.

Kyle Harrison: Give me more context. Was it when I had the adductor?

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Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah. Yes.

Kyle Harrison: Or back...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: No, it was adductor.

Kyle Harrison: Adductor. First time in there, you did needling.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah. Yeah. You walked into a church, you're wearing a hoodie.

Kyle Harrison: I remember walking... I love that church.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: It's a great church. It's my favorite church.

Kyle Harrison: I kind of remember when you say...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You were wearing a Friend's...

Kyle Harrison: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And when I saw that, I'm like, "This guy remembers kinda where he comes from... "

Kyle Harrison: Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And that's important. And that just came across, and your ability to connect with me, which is a random PT, was very clear, that that was front and center to the way you do business.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And then in researching, going through this pod, every time you talk to someone, you're connecting with them.

Kyle Harrison: Trying to. Which I just... 'Cause it... Look, man, I think my success, athletically, from the beginning back to the Friends days, was really based on coaches and people connecting with me, and meeting me where I was, and where I think... You look at... If I looked at all the coaches I had and teammates I had, in my opinion, they were put in my life for a very specific reason, for whatever that lesson needed to be learned at that time, that came from a place like Friends, that everyone got to play and, really, really, a coaching style that you were very rarely reprimanded for things you did bad, to a place at Hopkins where Coach Petro was the polar opposite of that. But I actually probably needed that at that point. I think Friends did everything for me they possibly could have and then passed me on to the big guy, for now it's him and his staff that have to take me the last bit to get me where I needed to get athletically, mentally, and I needed that at that time. And so, I look at all of the people that have come into my life, and again, like I said, I think they, specifically my coaches, and teachers, were very specific about connecting with me and the impact it made on my life. I know how big it was now as an old man with kids of my own. I try and do the same.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You mentioned that Coach Pietramala connected with you. I wanted to dig into a little bit of that relationship 'cause I think that has tremendous carryover to what we're talking about, business-wise and career trajectory-wise. You get to Johns Hopkins, and that was Petro's first year?

Kyle Harrison: His first full year. Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: First full year.

Kyle Harrison: He and his staff came in halfway through the prior year.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Okay. He recruited you?

Kyle Harrison: Mm-hmm.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Okay. So he recruits you. How do you describe Coach Petro's style?

Kyle Harrison: In the recruiting process?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: No, coaching.

Kyle Harrison: Oh. He gets after you. I think, look, freshman year was probably tough mentally, to understand, "Why is this cat yelling at me and everybody else so much?" But then once you get past the yelling and listen to what's being said, it became easy and it became, I don't know, how I like to be coached. I think, depending on who your coach is in college, in lacrosse, I can't speak to other sports, obviously I played lacrosse, you crave that as you get to the next level, professionally. I'd say, if you ask most pro players what they want, it's to be coached, and coached hard. That's where we all play and perform at our best. And so, I thought that staff, specifically the top three of Coach Petro, Coach Tierney, and Coach Dwan, were so perfect for us, during my time there. And so perfect for me, Coach Petro got after you, Coach T put his arm around you, and Coach Dwan just was somewhere in the middle of those two. He could play either side. And they were brilliant, that's why they won.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah, they won a lot.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. A ton. A ton.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: They won a lot. Now that coaching style resonated with you.

Kyle Harrison: Mm-hmm.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Did you have teammates that perhaps it wasn't the ideal fit coaching style?

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Okay. So let me ask you this. How did you handle that? Because, man, you look at some of your accolades and it's all about leadership. How did you handle it when the head coach or the boss, let's say, in this instance, resonates with you, the leader, but not necessarily the teammates? You got all this chatter in the locker room, or in the work environment, how do you handle it and rally the troops to say "No, no, no, we're gonna fall in line and follow this leader?

Kyle Harrison: For sure. For sure. I think two things. One, it depends on the situation. Every situation is different. I think there are times to do what you just said, which is, go back into the locker room, get us all together, like, "Hey, listen, I know we don't all agree with it, but if you look at the track record, there's a ton of success here. I think we gotta see it through." There's that conversation. But I will tell you, and Coach Petro would sit here and tell you the same thing, there's the other side of the conversation too, which is I go in the locker room, and I hear what they say, I kinda agree with them. So now me and the other couple of captains, we're walking down the hallway to his office, to say, "Here's what we need." And we meet in the middle. We figure it out. We had a ton of those conversations throughout my career. Especially, I could say the one that sticks out in my head is senior year fall, where we were a senior laden team. You had me, Benson Erwin, Chris Watson, Tom Garvey, Kyle Barrie, Peter LeSueur. You just have all these seniors that have started since they were freshmen. At this point, Fall Ball is like, "We got it. We're gonna go get our asses kicked by Georgetown in some tournament, in some grass field somewhere... "

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: "We'll be fine."

Kyle Harrison: "We're gonna be all right come springtime... " That happened every year. We had the conversation of like, "We gotta back off a little bit. We promise you, we will give you every ounce of everything we all have the second springtime hits, but we have to turn it down a little bit, at least physically. Mentally, we can be... We can do film, we can do all the other stuff, but we're beating ourselves up and we need a minute." We've had those conversations too. That's part of your job as a leader, and I think I grew into that. There was a time where I probably wouldn't have been comfortable having that conversation, but you get to a point where if your teammates and/or your staff trust you to be the person to have those conversations, then that's all the confidence you need to do that.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah. I love that. It's awesome to hear that. It sounds like Pietramala was open to having a conversation with you. And probably...

Kyle Harrison: For sure.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Based upon the rapport that he had built with you.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: When I see it in a work environment, I love that as potentially the boss, you're wanting to hear that feedback. You don't wanna just keep riding and driving, if it's not leading towards the goal that you have in mind. You gotta hear from the leaders in the locker room, in this analogy. That certainly resonates. Talk to me about, a little bit earlier on, now, man, we went through those accolades and it's really impressive what you did in lacrosse. You and I both know...

Kyle Harrison: Oh no, here we go.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You and I both know, you could have played a number of different sports professionally.

Kyle Harrison: I could have.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You did pretty well for yourself on the basketball court.

Kyle Harrison: I was okay.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You were really good.

Kyle Harrison: Was okay.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: So much so that...

Kyle Harrison: Oh, here we go. [laughter] I know where you're going...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You won two MIAA basketball titles. You earned All-Conference honors, MIAA. And you were also a hell of a soccer player. You won one MIAA title in soccer.

Kyle Harrison: We did, beat St. Paul's.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: St. Paul's.

Kyle Harrison: Junior year.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Of course you did.

Kyle Harrison: It was great.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: We won't get in senior year.

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Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You earned All-Conference honors in soccer as well.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Why'd you choose lacrosse?

Kyle Harrison: I have the answer now as a grownup. Back then, I'm not sure, honestly. I think, 'cause basketball was what I loved. Probably out of the three, the one that would be the most of a reach, to try and pursue that one long-term college, chased pro in Europe, whatever the ceiling would've been. But that was what I loved the most. I think I ended up choosing lacrosse based on my family history, what my dad did, what my dad started and wanting to be a part of that history with what he started at Morgan State. And then honestly, it's the one that I feel like my potential, there was just a ton of it. Whereas soccer, I was a very good soccer player. If I would've pursued that in college, I probably would've been a midfielder or a back. And I don't know how much better I would've gotten skill-wise. I think, athletically, I probably could have taken that somewhere.

Kyle Harrison: But lacrosse is the one that, as I watched and learned and saw the dudes that were the dudes in high school, I'm like, "Wait a second. If I'm in a different place and I'm focusing on only this, I think that I have a chance to do something here." And then, I remember the day like it was yesterday, me and Benson, Benson Erwin, my best friend from Friends, and we were both at Hopkins, and I remember we had spent the summer training with Jay, that summer between senior year and freshman year of college, training with Jay. Just 'cause we're coming from Friends. You got these kids coming from big-time Long Island schools and everything around Maryland, these elite programs and we're coming from Friends. And so we're like, we are without a doubt, not as prepared as the rest of these guys. And so at minimum we gotta be in shape. Like, "Let's just try and get in shape." Coach Petro, Coach Tierney and Coach Dwan connected with Jay, we're training with Jay.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That's Jay Dyer, strength coach...

Kyle Harrison: Jay Dyer. The guy, the man. Yes.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Jay Dyer.

Kyle Harrison: The man, the man. And so, we're training with him. Minimum we're in shape. And so we go in, and that first day, we're doing testing. So we're doing your 40 time and your 300 yard shuttle time. And Benson and I smoked... Wasn't even close how we ran that. And we were like, "Oh. We're actually, actually okay, we're better than we thought. We should be here." And then from a confidence perspective though, just in terms of my ability to think like, "Oh shit, I am supposed to be here. I can do this." And everything that I've thought in the back of my head about MJ, fade away, hitting a jumper, all those things I dreamed, now they just have to translate to lacrosse and let's chase this now.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That's awesome. That typifies your work ethic, 'cause you put in the work all season, Coach Jay stands on the sideline with his arms crossed, just barking at you.

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Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: It's also, I've heard you break it down, to say, and I think you just hinted at it just now, you said, "Looking on the lacrosse field, I know who the dudes are. And I know I'm better than them."

Kyle Harrison: Athletically.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Athletically.

Kyle Harrison: Oh yeah, for sure.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And you certainly made that clear. I think the parallel is, you gotta survey the field.

Kyle Harrison: Oh, yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: So when you look professionally, let's dig into this a little bit. When you look into off the field, I looked at it, at in the sports PT world, and I'm looking around Maryland and I'm like, "I know there's a sports PT here and I wanna work for them. I gotta find them and I'm gonna work my ass off." And then I'm like, "Wait a minute, there's no sports PT in Maryland. What the hell?"

Kyle Harrison: Right. Yeah. [laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: So I'm like, "Screw it, I'll go up to Manhattan." My wife's from New York, Long Island.

Kyle Harrison: There you go.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And I'm like, "I'll find it here."

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And I look up there and I'm like, "Dude, there's not a lot there." Now, this is 15 years ago. I'm sure there are awesome sports PTs now. But my point is, you survey the field and you realize, "Hey, where can I be successful? Does that match up with my passion, and my abilities and acumen?" And then you dive in, you looking at the lacrosse field and realizing, "Jesus Christ, I could do this for a living, I could be an all-time great." And then you go... You dive in.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That's what I heard. I remember, I think you said to me, "I looked in the lacrosse field and no one could do what I could do."

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. It was just a... Again, athletically, they were more skilled. Especially back then, they were significantly more skilled. But I think the two things that gave me confidence was, one, I felt like I was more athletic than everyone. And then two, I could watch what they did and then duplicate it in my own way faster and quicker. And so as I started putting those things together and then you get under coaches, like Coach Petro, Coach Tierney and Coach Dwan, you have film stuff, you have all these... I get Friends... I don't know what you guys did [chuckle] about the film. We weren't watching a film... Stop.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: We just watched film of Kyle Harrison. That's all we did.

Kyle Harrison: Okay. So now you...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Everyone around the...

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Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: On TV. Yeah.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. And then hit 'record'.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Put in the VCR.

Kyle Harrison: Oh, that's such a bummer on that...

Kyle Harrison: But no film, no film, or any breakdowns, there was none of that stuff. So give me access to all that stuff...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: It sounds like C conference.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

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Kyle Harrison: It was a fun time though.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Okay. So then you dive in. Tell me how you applied that lesson of scanning the field, realizing you're better at something and going headlong into it, in the business world.

Kyle Harrison: I credit my longevity in the sport and being able to really build businesses and a brand, to my partners at the beginning. And so basically, I was fortunate, Yoni, that at the very beginning, coming out of college, getting drafted number one and making Team USA and being a "pro lacrosse player," I had to find the right partner that was going to allow me to be a pro lacrosse player. Most guys, especially back then, not until recently with everything going on with the PLL and the changes that are made, elevated wages, healthcare, all that stuff, most guys got drafted to play in the MLL, and then also were on Wall Street and doing a bunch of stuff. So for me, STX, I signed a deal that allowed me to be a full-time player. I was a full-time employee, and so my job there was building my brand, the K-team brand we built and launched, a full equipment line, gloves, arm pads, arm guards, shoulders, stick, the whole thing, that ran for 15 years. But, again, from 2005 when I graduated, full-time employee, 401 [K], healthcare, car, all of that stuff, which allowed me to be in a position, like, "Okay, that's handled. So now let me figure out how to build a brand. Let me focus on training so I can play lacrosse long-term." 'Cause most often you'll see back then, especially, guys that last three years.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah.

Kyle Harrison: Three to five years and they're...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: 'Cause they were sitting in a desk at Wall Street.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Sitting on a desk all day, and they're lasting three to five years. So now I had my base set with STX, and I knew they'd be my long-term partner. They're still my partner. I think my deal is, three years left on it. They're still my partner. And now it was like, "Okay, got that set. Now let's build everything else out, fill in with different deals." And I really started to understand, especially back then, that there's gonna be opportunities from a sponsorship perspective, where maybe the cash comp isn't what you want, but there's opportunity for a backend where you can ask for equity, and knowing full well that I ain't going anywhere. There's a couple of deals that I signed a 10-year deal for equity that, been accrue over that 10 years, now it's been 12 years, so I own 10% of the company. And it's just another thing that me and my family get to be a part of. I think when it came to taking some of the skills from my athletic career and implementing it on the business, one, I'm still learning. I just retired a year and a half, two years ago. So I'm definitely still learning. But early investments and then identifying the right partner to grow with me, I think, was the best thing that could have happened back in 2005.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I'm smirking like an idiot because the carryover is so clear to me to our world. You're sports PT, you're listening to this pod, you're listening to Kyle Harrison, maybe you know who he is, or maybe you don't. But...

Kyle Harrison: Maybe you don't. It's okay. It's okay.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah, it's okay. But now they know.

[chuckle]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: It's, you find a job that can cover your... That's what you did. You talked to STX, they said, "We're gonna take care of you with X, Y, Z." And then you look out and say, "Okay, how do I grow? How do I either become an entrepreneur, or the intrapreneur?"

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: My advice to those listening is, find opportunities like that. We try to build that at True Sports where you come in and you're like, "Okay, I can treat patients, make this amount of money, make sure that I'm set. And, what else can I bring to the company? What else can I bring to the market, whether that's in education, or whatever it is?" Sounds like that's exactly what you did. You also make a great point of the team you build around you, 'cause at Hopkins you were what kind of major?

Kyle Harrison: I think it was called "Writing Sems". It was like Hopkins' version of journalism.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Okay. So you think you're gonna be a journalist?

Kyle Harrison: Mm-hmm. Oh, that was the plan. ESPN internship. That was the plan, for sure.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You're going to Bristol?

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And working for ESPN?

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And then you become this pro athlete. Where does the business acumen come from?

Kyle Harrison: Just watching... Look, I was around the dopest dudes. Jesse Hubbard is the guy that I got the New Jersey Pride locker room. And Jesse Hubbard, top five player of all time is there. And he was what I wanted to be. Jesse at the time was with Warrior. He was one of the founders of Warrior. He was obviously a pro player, a family dude. I remember like it was yesterday, how he would talk about his wife and his kids, and I was a that, "Well, there's my guy. I'm sure I'm gonna attach myself to him and listen to everything he says." So I watched that. I met other people within the sport. Mike Powell was on the US team as well, when I had come out and he had just released his line. He had a deal with Scion, that box car, he had just signed that deal. Yeah. And he had his house that we all went to, up in Upstate New York. It was on a golf course. Anyway, spending time with him and, again, and Mike is an eccentric dude, but spending time with him and learning how he built what he had going. Ryan Boyle was another young one at the time that was right up there with Mike Powell.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Gilman?

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Gilman. All-timer, had his own company. He had a bunch of deals. There were guys that were doing stuff. And I think that was also right at the time that people were getting in lacrosse. People were... Different companies, like Nike had just gotten in, I had just signed a deal with Nike. Me and Ryan Powell were the first Nike lacrosse athletes. I'd signed that deal. I was out in Portland on Nike campus with big... There was just stuff happening, where I was just trying to absorb all of it because it was so new and foreign. And to your point earlier, it just was not my plan. My plan, until the MLL paperwork, was sitting in my locker. I was planning on ESPN internship, chase down this journalism thing, see what happened. It was the... In my locker was the MLL paperwork and the Team USA paperwork, like, "Do you wanna try out? And do you wanna be an MLL draft?" I remember we were all in there, just mid-season, we're like, "Are we doing this?" We're like, "Let's figure it out after practice." And then after practice, we're like, "Yeah, why don't we just all jump in this thing?" So we all signed it, and that was it. And didn't think anything of it until we won the national championship. I think we went to Cancun like two days after that. We come back...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Tell what happened in Cancun. Yeah.

Kyle Harrison: Honestly, not a ton.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: No one's listening.

Kyle Harrison: No, no, no. [chuckle] Look, look, we were all safe. Not a ton, but something just happened out there. If we think back to 2005, I can't remember what, but something had just happened really bad.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Not something good. Yeah.

Kyle Harrison: No, not something good. And so we were like, we ate and chill...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I think you were just still figuring that out.

Kyle Harrison: Oh, really?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah, I think so.

Kyle Harrison: That's insane. But we were, dinner and chilling and sitting in the pool, happy as hell, 'cause we just went undefeated and won. But came back and then that's when this all started. A long-winded answer, but it was really just learn and absorb everything you possibly can from the people that are doing what you want to do. And that's just what I did. I found each person professionally that was doing what I wanted to do, and just picked their brain, sat with them, watched how they handled themselves, watched how they handled themselves publicly, all of it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Just observing, noting...

Kyle Harrison: All of it. All of it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And, another thing about you and I find this with a lot of very successful people, is your memory is insane.

Kyle Harrison: I try.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: But I don't think you do. Well, maybe you do. But...

Kyle Harrison: No, no. Well, I think it's part of connecting. It's part of a real connection with someone and something, and if it's all surface, then you can't remember it because it's just like, "Hey, what up, man? Nice to see you." And then it's over, but if I ask you something, or your kid's name or something that you did 10 years ago, I'm gonna remember that, and then next time I see you, we can rehash that conversation and come up again, and that's an actual real connection. I think it's back to our first point of, you have to reconnect with people, specifically the people that you wanna do business with and be like.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah. Sure. Sure.

Kyle Harrison: And that's how it goes, and then it just gets locked in memory.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Dude, that's what I say about being a sports PT is, it's probably true in any field, which is the theme of today's conversation, which is, what makes you successful in one field translates to every field.

Kyle Harrison: Absolutely.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: But it's how much you care.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: It's how much you care and how much you can lock in and be present. And show the patient, the athlete, that you give a damn. And the sky's the limit from there. Sounds like the same thing, in the business world. Now, as you go through, you sign MLL, you play for Team USA. You really start to become just a professional. Now, you take a couple of risks along the way.

Kyle Harrison: Oh, yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And I'm sure not everything was smooth sailing.

Kyle Harrison: No.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Great.

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Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I'm glad you said that 'cause otherwise this would be a terrible question.

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Give me a misstep that you made and what you learned from it.

Kyle Harrison: Oh, I've made tons. I've made tons. I think, we've made tons. I think the funniest story, and I'll tell the short version of this, this story is all time. And for people listening, you're gonna have to chase down, if I ever end up doing this, like LXM recap, you have to chase down to hear it from my partner's perspective, because this is all time. And so...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Tell us what LXM is.

Kyle Harrison: Yep. We're in LA, I moved out to LA to play for the LA Riptide. That was, I wanted to move to LA anyway, but it made sense, if I can go on the LA team, all this made sense, as opposed to moving to LA and then flying back to play for New Jersey, that wouldn't have made a ton of sense. So moved to LA the next year and play, we had a successful run, we lost in championship or semis that year, I can't remember. But the next year, the team folds. And so now we're all out in LA, we have an opportunity to play for Denver, but that's still not a home game. I'm still jumping on a plane. And so, myself, Xander Ritz, Max Ritz, Scott Hochstadt, Craig Hochstadt, we're out there and there's a bunch of pro guys, obviously, now that have moved out to play for San Fran or LA, those teams no longer exist. And so we talked and we have this idea of this thing called the LXM Pro Tour lacrosse meets music.

Kyle Harrison: And so basically think of, picture a festival, 40 pro lacrosse players, a pro All-Star game, a concert happening, vendors, just like a festival over weekend. And so, we're launching this thing, Scott had been a successful entrepreneur, he had started Adrenaline, and Starz. He had done a lot of stuff. Scott had been in the business world, he's about 8-10 years older than us. He was certainly the leader, and Xander was his right-hand man at the time, and then you have Craig, myself, and Max. And so we're building this business, we're signing players, and it was just, it was loose, which was fine. It was loose, it was definitely my first time in a "real" business. But it was loose. And so [chuckle] Hoch comes in, Scott comes in, he's like, "We gotta change the business. I've got it. We're done. We just signed Drake." [laughter] And this is, think right when...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: What year, what year was this?

Kyle Harrison: "Best I Ever Had" had just dropped. And so it wasn't all that crazy. It wasn't all that crazy, especially being out in LA that...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That would've happened?

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. You somehow stumbled on somebody's manager at some party or dinner and, "Yeah, hey, can Drake come play five songs or something?" And it worked. So we're all in the office like, "Holy shit. This is incredible. This is gonna change everything." And so then it became full speed ahead, like, "What do we got... " We had to make sure our players are ready, make sure all the stuff ready. TV ticker, there was an imposter manager floating around Beverly Hills, [laughter] booking Drake, Nicki Minaj and Lil Wayne shows.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: How many people were...

Kyle Harrison: And we were like, [laughter] "Oh, my God. Oh, my God, Scott." And so we were in a panic. I think we had wired like 80 grand...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Come on. Did you tell your fans, "Hey, Drake... "

Kyle Harrison: No. Thank God we had not. Oh, my God...

[laughter]

Kyle Harrison: Or actually... No...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: There were no fans? [laughter]

Kyle Harrison: No, there was not... [laughter] Well, that's a problem in itself. But wait, there was another... The Drake thing happened. There was another where Akon backed out on us. And it was... He had... In his defense, we had signed him... He wired our money back. He did it right...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Actually through his manager.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [laughter] Through his real manager.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That was a real thing.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Through his real... We had Akon for a second, and then he had a family scenario pop up, which obviously is completely fine. His people were great. I think they wired whatever had happened back, but we had promoted Akon and he couldn't come. The Drake hadn't gotten out yet. But that was all time.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That's a mistake. A misstep...

Kyle Harrison: Massive, massive, massive misstep.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yes. Yes. And the things you learned from that were?

Kyle Harrison: From that situation?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: From that situation.

Kyle Harrison: Well, there's... What I would say about out there, it's a little weird, man, because I would actually argue that I bet that interaction, and I know this guy was an imposter manager, but I'd argue that that interaction is still happening out there with the real manager. And you're grabbing a beer, you're grabbing a coffee, and you're like, "Can you slide by and do a couple of songs?" And like, "Yeah, I got you, man... "

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Dude, that's how he got you on the plane. [laughter]

Kyle Harrison: That's what I'm saying. I'm sure that stuff is still happening. The lesson there is just, one, we have to do more. There was so many gaps within that business, admittedly, on my part and all of our part we were learning, we were growing. But, man, I learned... My wife talks about it all the time, when we have things that happen. I'll give you a perfect example. Recently, our Eighteen office, we switched locations, and my business partner was out of town. And so my wife's carrying couches and doing all this stuff. I'm like, "Sweetie, this is not what you should be doing right now." She's like, "What are you talking about?" I hung the banners at LXM at 7:00 AM and then I was there at 2:00 AM cutting them down and fold them up, this is the gig.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah. I love that.

Kyle Harrison: This is what we signed up for. And so, I think that what I took from that, and I take it from her all the time, is just, you can't be too good to do anything or too "big" to do anything. If it requires cleaning toilets or cutting signage down at 2:00 AM, then that's your job. Or hanging up the chairs, any of that stuff. And I think when I look back on my LXM days, that's what I remember, we did everything. We packed the player bags. We were carrying player bags from the airport. We're hanging up signs, we're putting up the VIP thing, I'm grabbing drinks for our VIPs and then putting on my jersey and going to play. That's what we signed up for. That's a gig.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I love that. That sounds like the entrepreneur grind.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Oh yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And I think, unfortunately, sometimes that gets lost nowadays, but an applicable story to that. 'Cause we were just talking about Deemer Class, Duke legend and...

Kyle Harrison: Doing great work. Great work.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Doing great work at First Class Lacrosse, friend of the program. And, he had us come down to Chase Fieldhouse in Delaware and we were helping him with his First Class Lacrosse stuff. And went up there with one of our awesome physical therapists, Austin Colish, we're up there and we're supposed to be running a piece of his combine. And that didn't happen. We just didn't run. There was a combine, but me and Austin didn't do much about it. And Austin was like, "Dude, what happened?" I'm like, "I don't know," but something happened...

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Sure.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: We met a lot of people. Something'll happen. Fast forward six months later, we're opening a clinic in Delaware, in Chase Fieldhouse because of the people we met, who happened to be unbelievable. The point is, you gotta say yes to good people. But you gotta get your hands dirty.

Kyle Harrison: 100%.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That's what you were doing with LXM.

Kyle Harrison: 100%.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Maybe that's the thing that you learned.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Oh, no, you have to do everything. You have to be a grinder and do everything. I think to your point, it's a really important one. And I'm still... I think I'm still learning this because I'm so... And it's probably because of my career as a player, I'm used to, you do this and this happens. Instantly, typically, as an athlete. I think as an entrepreneur, you do this and two years from now this might happen, six months from now this might happen. And so, I'm still learning to deal with that and learning what that process looks like. And that's a challenge for me at times.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I can totally relate. Maybe one of the ways you hedge against that is, you have so many different projects going on.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Tell us what you got going on.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Yeah. I think Fivestar is definitely taking up the most, the majority of my time. It's a really cool sports tech company. We've done a lot of stuff and events, whether that's operating our own events or sponsoring events and activating at events or helping produce events. We just recently finished producing MIAA's, both lacrosse and baseball. I got... Wait, there's an interesting... Hold on. There's an interesting rule in baseball. Do you know this, that if the higher seed loses in the championship, there's another game?

[laughter]

Kyle Harrison: I'm not kidding. That's a real thing.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yes. That is a real thing. Not in MIAA.

Kyle Harrison: I think so.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Oh, is it?

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. I think it just happened.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I didn't do a lot of competing at elite levels in MIAA.

Kyle Harrison: Look, you sure you did. Oh... And here we go. I knew...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: No, no, no, no, not gonna...

Kyle Harrison: Please, go on. Not yet? Not yet, you're saving it?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Oh, no

[laughter]

Kyle Harrison: But yeah, we produce events and...
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Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah. That's usually like a college baseball thing, but... Okay.

Kyle Harrison: That's insane. I didn't know that. But, from the event perspective...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Thank you for including baseball.

Kyle Harrison: Of course.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: All the baseball heads loved to hear...

Kyle Harrison: Look, I played T-ball. I played T-ball back in the day.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And what do you think about baseball players? Lacrosse guys wanna know.

Kyle Harrison: What do you mean? What I think about baseball players in general?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah, a baseball athlete.

Kyle Harrison: The ones I've met have been cool. I haven't really spent a ton...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Athletically.

Kyle Harrison: It depends on the position. I think the catcher is wild. I look at that position that they squat in for hours on end, and that's insane when you think about hips and knees, pitchers. I think people that can hit home runs consistently and make contact. Honestly, anybody that can make contact with that ball consistently is pretty wild.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah. Okay. That's all of them.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. I think that's insane. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying, any baseball player that can consistently hit a ball, I'm impressed with, at high level.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Great. Here's one of my passions.

Kyle Harrison: Oh no. Oh no. Go on.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And that is, apply all of the reams of data and the sports science and the knowhow and the strength and conditioning, to get that rotational velocity and apply it to your freaking sport. It will be game-changing.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: 1000%. Agree.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Okay. Me and you'll team together on that.

Kyle Harrison: I look forward to that.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Thank you. Okay. Fivestar.

Kyle Harrison: Oh yeah. Yeah. We've obviously done to the sports tech company. We've done with events operating, toning, producing. We have a couple of properties and products right now, just over market research over the last, I don't know, three years or so. We're really excited about one specifically launching later in the fall, that we're super fired up about.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Okay. That's Fivestar.

Kyle Harrison: Yep.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Then you got?

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Eighteen is great. EighteenTwelve with my business partner, Sean, from teams to premium events, Session 18, Method 18, academy. One I'm the most excited about, I'd say the two, because honestly, when it comes to events and the vibe of all things Eighteen related, it's typically built around what I enjoyed when I was this age. The atmosphere that I feel we can create that kids are empowered, they feel comfortable and confident, they feel pushed and coached hard, but they know that this is not life and death because it's a game. And I think Friends taught me that. And it's because we were competitive in a C Conference, B Conference, whatever. But we weren't a sports powerhouse by any means. Winning and losing was not the end-all, be-all. It was cool to win, but it was like, if I lost, I was not at home crying. Me and my boys weren't silent on the car ride home. We moved on.

Kyle Harrison: And so I think when it comes to sport, it's really important to create an environment that you get all the things you need, the lessons you need to learn, but you're like, "It's still a sport, we're hanging, we're hanging here for the next couple of hours, we're gonna work really hard. I'm probably gonna yell at you at some point 'cause I'm gonna be disappointed in something you did. But you're gonna have fun and you're gonna feel empowered. And when you need a break, take a break. And then when this is over, the shit is over. I'm not expecting you to go home and be really upset about something that just happened." Anyway, Session 18 and Method 18. Session 18 is for elite players and it's yoga, sports psychology, athletic training, you're obviously on the field doing skill work, all that stuff. And then you have Method 18, which is for that middle school athlete, preparing them for high school. Those are my two favorite events we do. But from Team Eighteen to Eighteen National to Sonics, we got a lot of fun stuff going.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: So that begs the question, how do you prioritize your day and your efforts?

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. You have to... It all comes down to the team around you. My time is spent on Fivestar, and Sean runs Eighteen. Yeah. And so you have to build your team around you and you have to... Honestly, in my opinion, when it comes to time management, prioritizing, that's all stuff you learned in your sport. What you played... Hopkins, you took care of the classroom, you took care of lacrosse field, and everything else was just there. And if you had time to do the social thing, cool. I rarely did. Not that there was a ton to do anyway at Hopkins, but you prioritize, man, that's the gig.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And so, nuts and bolts, what are your hacks to doing that?

Kyle Harrison: In my opinion, you have to be intentional about all of it. Right now, for me, the most important thing in my life is my family, making sure that I'm there for them all the time, not just sometimes, and not just when it fits into my "work schedule." If I'm in town, I'm taking them to school and picking them up. I'm a part of that process. If I'm in town and there's no meeting I have to attend at 5:00 PM, we're at dinner together. I'm not missing those moments with my wife and kids. And now that we're back on the East Coast with my parents. It's a non-negotiable for me.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: It's blocked out, your schedule.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah, non-negotiable. My schedule, it's non-negotiable. I'm here, I'm not just... I'm actually present. I'm not just here sitting here, I am present, I am paying attention, I know what's going on. Because if you don't have that... I can't say if you don't. If I don't have that base, everything else is off in my life. If I'm not... If I don't feel like I've spent ample amount of time with my wife and children, and that I know what's going on in my household and I know what's happening at school with the kids and camp and everything going on with them there, then everything else is off. Intentional, be intentional about the things that you care about and the things that you need to be successful in other areas. And I think for me, it starts with them.

Kyle Harrison: And then once the house is straight, everything else just falls into the right place. And then when it comes to your different businesses, we've talked a lot about the things I'm involved in, but that's all pretty peripheral. The sunglass company, Tomahawk Shades, absolutely love those guys. Been incredible partners. I'm a part owner in that company. But in terms of day-to-day, week-to-week, month-to-month, I'm pretty limited. I'll check in with Andrew, we'll have an ownership call once a quarter. That's not something I'm actively doing on a day-to-day basis. And so you have to be smart about how you manage your time. And, again, whatever your home base is, everybody's different. Mine is my actual home and the people in it, and I take care of that.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah. It sounds like the lesson there is, you've gotta be militant, and list in your... Whether it'd be in your head or a little bit more specifically, what is it that's important to you and carve those out.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. You know what I would compare it to? And you hear athletes say this all the time, I was one of them, I'm sure you say it to your clients, you can't negotiate with yourself, if you're stuck with what you're doing, that's what you're doing. Period. And back in the day, for me that was training. I'm training, eating right, performing on the field. I'm not negotiating with myself on a daily... I'm not gonna wake up, be like, "Yo, my back is killing me. I'm out." It's not happening, this is what you're doing everyday. I took that, that not negotiating with myself, and now that's in my life, my actual life. I'm not negotiating with myself with this family thing. And I'm not missing things with these six people. Not happening. And then once I start there, then I work backwards. "All right. Now what else is non-negotiable? I gotta train four times a week. It has to happen. I have to do some sort of movement four times a week." It used to be, whatever it was, six days a week now, now it's four. And it's certainly not Jay Dyer dragging me around.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: No, it's True Sport.

Kyle Harrison: True Sports. It's a nice option.

[laughter]

Kyle Harrison: F45, all that good stuff.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: There you go.

Kyle Harrison: But I think that's what it is. I take what I used to do in sport and now just apply it to my actual life.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah, but great lessons. Great lessons.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah, for sure.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And that's the way you're able to keep all these pans in the fire.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Kyle Harrison: Where did you learn how to be so present?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That's a good question. I think... First of all, I haven't always had it, I've had to work on it. My wife's been great about pushing me on it when she notices I'm not, which is incredible. I think it comes back to relationships, man. You can't be present and create a real... Or I'm sorry, not be present and create a real relationship, it's not possible. I have to be there listening to you, paying attention to you. Whether that's my little guy Smith or daughter Brooke, or my wife or my parents, or WeatherSTEM, or it's some cat that I was at Jimmy John's yesterday, and he's like, "Are you Kyle?" I'm like, "Yeah."

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: From Friends, high school.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah, from Friends, C Conference, runner-up, I know we're going there.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: We're not going that way. [chuckle]

Kyle Harrison: But look, meeting that kid, getting his name... That's a real interaction. It's all that stuff, man. But again, I certainly learned, I don't have it naturally.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I think that's what helps you being so relatable, is that you realize that it's a skill.

Kyle Harrison: Oh, yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And you're diving into that skill...

Kyle Harrison: Evolving. Evolving skill.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: It's awesome. It's awesome. Okay. Tell me when you met Kobe Bryant.

Kyle Harrison: Oh, man. I met Kobe... You know the...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: There's just so many times.

Kyle Harrison: But this is funny. The first time... [laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: There's always a first.

Kyle Harrison: The first time... Look, man, the first time I met him, this is funny, it was at my... I was still with Nike at the time, and my contact at Nike was like, "Look, your boy's in Orange County today." I was like, "What?"

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You're like, "Yoni's here?"

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: "I can't believe he's here."

Kyle Harrison: I was like, "Where's Yoni?"

[laughter]

Kyle Harrison: "Where is he eating? What's he doing?"

[laughter]

Kyle Harrison: He was like, "Look, he's got... " This was the World Cup. He's like, "We're shooting Kobe's World Cup commercial." And it was like, "Okay. Where? And not only where, but can I go to it? I know you're telling me this information." He's like, "Look, you wanna be an extra?" And I was like, "Done. How do I get there? Where is it?" It's at this high school, I go up there, and I get my Lakers uniform. I get my Lakers pants and shooter shirt, and...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Did they tell you to bring that? They give it to you or you're just...

Kyle Harrison: Oh, no, I get there and I get my... They get...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Oh, okay.

Kyle Harrison: They knew that I was a Nike athlete on the lacrosse side.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I picture you getting dressed and you're like...

[laughter]

Kyle Harrison: I'm getting dressed in my Kmart version of it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yes. [laughter]

Kyle Harrison: No. I get there, they knew I was a Nike athlete for lacrosse. They gave me the Kobe shoes.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I love it.

Kyle Harrison: The whole get-up, and I got to be an extra on the Lakers bench in that commercial, and high-fived him after he drains a couple. And we shot that, we shot it like 17, 20 times, of, he basically gets it, he shakes off the double rolls, and then shoots a fade-away with two seven-footers jumping at him, and then does like the Ronaldo step over the ball, these World Cup commercials. Anyway, that was my first time meeting him. And then, through my partnership with Legends, we do a lot of events at Sports Academy, which was Mamba Academy.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah.

Kyle Harrison: And so he would have his basketball events going on at the same time I had my lacrosse events going on. And so we developed a relationship. And I would see him a few times a year at that event, which was, just even having the opportunity to, even if it was two minutes, five minutes, speaking to him was something I'll remember the rest of my life. It was incredible. One of my all-time favorite athletes and...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: What was he like?

Kyle Harrison: You know, man, he has a lot of stuff you're talking about. He looks you in your eye, he remembers you. I was always blown away. And again, just to be clear, this wasn't like 50 times I got to talk to Kobe, this was four, over the course of a couple of years. But it was always, "Oh, good to see you, Kyle." It was always a very clear communication from his perspective, like, "No, I know who you are. We've talked multiple times. I know who you are and I know what you did in your sport." And I'll always remember that. And that's how he was with everybody in that gym... Everybody in that gym, even my lacrosse player, they couldn't care less that I was there. Everybody in that gym, all 10,000 people were there for him. And I'd imagine that's how it was everywhere he ever went. And to still have the humility and the wherewithal to be present and create real interactions with people, because he knows that that changed that person's life probably, that interaction with Kobe. Just like for me, like I said, the fact that he even remembered, it was at once or twice a year for a couple of years seeing me and us having an interaction, man, it's all-time, one of my all-time favorite moments.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah. Powerful. One-on-one, Kobe at his height playing Michael Jordan at his height.

Kyle Harrison: Oh. Okay. Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You're a betting man.

Kyle Harrison: I am. Well, no.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Who you putting money on?

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Who you putting money on?

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Who you putting money on?

Kyle Harrison: I wish they could have seen you shrug your shoulders.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Who do you put money on?

Kyle Harrison: Look, that's a tough argument... How many time are they playing?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: One game.

Kyle Harrison: One game.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Game to 11.

Kyle Harrison: Game to 11.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Winner.

Kyle Harrison: Who's got the ball first?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Great question. Michael Jordan.

Kyle Harrison: And they're both in their prime?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yes. I already said...

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. No, I don't know. I think that's a stalemate. I think it's a...

Kyle Harrison: No, no, I think it's a bunch of fouling and...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Lot of fouling. Lot of name-calling.

Kyle Harrison: This thing never gets to 11, no shot, never gets to 11.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: It's not a bad answer.

Kyle Harrison: It's, they're too competitive, that doesn't get to 11. Somebody's gonna get fouled in the way that they can't go anymore, no shot. That ends in a 5-6 MJ's up, but Kobe just came across his forearms and he can't go.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Someone's hurt.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. He can't go anymore.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Okay. Okay. Not a bad answer.

Kyle Harrison: But to be clear, MJ's my guy, from the time I can remember loving sport, MJ is my favorite athlete of all time. And Kobe is 1A. 'Cause keep in mind my age, as I grew and grew...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: At your age.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Kobe became like my 20s, my 20s through now.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Where would you... This is gonna be hard for you to answer.

Kyle Harrison: Please..

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Where does Patrick Ewing fall?

Kyle Harrison: Who? [laughter] In the MJ-Kobe argument?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah. I feel like he's there. No? Anyway, it's a..

Kyle Harrison: Look, on my end, for this specific conversation, he's not in those...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah, go on. What?

Kyle Harrison: One of MJ-Kobe conversations. But...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah. Then, what's... I mean...

Kyle Harrison: He's an all-timer. There's no argument in that, all-timer, for sure. But when we're talking MJ-Kobe, I don't know if Mr. Ewing is right there. All-timer.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Fair. I appreciate you calling him Mr. Ewing. Okay. If you're playing the role of Michael Jordan...

Kyle Harrison: Go on.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Who's playing the role of Kobe in this one-on one?

Kyle Harrison: In basketball?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: No. Good question. Lacrosse. Thank you.

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That's what I was going...

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Lacrosse. If you're Michael Jordan, who's Kobe?

Kyle Harrison: Oh, I don't know.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You only get one.

Kyle Harrison: That's a tough...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Thank you. Thank you. Who is it? Is he a Hopkins teammate of yours?

Kyle Harrison: Oh, are you... Okay. I get what...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Your one...

Kyle Harrison: Oh both of us... I get what you're saying. No, no...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Paul... I'll give you Jesse Schwartzman, but...

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Paul.

Kyle Harrison: No, look, here's what I'll say. And Paul has been... He and I have talked about this. Paul's been incredible at building a brand.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You talked about this Kobe-Michael?

Kyle Harrison: No, no, no, no, no.

[laughter]

Kyle Harrison: No, I was like, what he's done.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah.

Kyle Harrison: And if you look at... Let's go back. When it comes to guys building a brand coming out of lacrosse, I alluded to this earlier, Mike Powell came out, and Mike Powell was the first guy... Now Gary Gait ended up having a line with STX a year or two after my original line released. Not at the prime of his career, more towards the end of his career, as a player. If you look at the last 20 years, Mike Powell came out, got an equipment line with Brine, like I told you, signed car deals and was the guy.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Right.

Kyle Harrison: I came out the next year, and then I signed some deals and equipment lines and built a brand. And then I can't remember who was first between Max or Paul. It was either Max or Paul. They were... I think it might have been Paul, then Max. Paul...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Max Seibald?

Kyle Harrison: Oh.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: He is a legend.

Kyle Harrison: No, he's a monster. He's a monster. Max was a monster. All-timer. Probably still could play, honestly.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That's scary.

Kyle Harrison: He's one of those guys that could probably give him a month to train and he could still be dominant. But then with Paul, signed the deal, obviously launched everything.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Everything.

Kyle Harrison: Then Max, then Rob Pannell.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Right.

Kyle Harrison: And you go from Paul, what Paul has done in lacrosse, it just hasn't been done outside of obviously building a league, with his brother, is Paul was the first lacrosse player willing to put himself out there on social and understand how to use social. He was making YouTube videos early.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Masters it. Yeah.

Kyle Harrison: Oh, it's incredible. I will give credit to Paul because he takes it on the chin for decisions made, putting himself out there. He knows exactly what he's doing and he's got the back to carry it, he can deal with it. And he's been incredible. All the credit to him for everything he's built. And I know it doesn't get talked about enough, how good he was.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah, he was a good player. Untouchable.

Kyle Harrison: Look, man, great, all-time great. When you look at players for the last 50 years, find me one that you can say definitively, obviously everybody has opinions, but find one that you can say definitively was so much better at something than him.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah, it's tough. You're right.

Kyle Harrison: He's very, very, very, very good. And that doesn't get talked about enough.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Dude, I could see you at ESPN. You would be good, man.

Kyle Harrison: That's nice of you. That's nice of you.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Man, I would listen to you.

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I would listen to you. I would read about it. And then help me understand lacrosse...

Kyle Harrison: All these years later you still don't get it, huh?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I get it.

Kyle Harrison: Oh, you sure? Doesn't feel like it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Really?

Kyle Harrison: No. I was just kind of saying it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Okay, cool.

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I appreciate that. I get it. I love it. You know what I'm fascinated by? I'm fascinated by the... And I'll get a little bit geeky, but I'm fascinated by the gross motor needed, big dudes, speed covering ground athletes, and the fine motor. The touch.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Yeah, all of it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: The ability to throw a long stick up in the air, you know where that head is. Just the fine-tuning of that fascinates me, as a geek. And then, dude, I've watched it enough.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah, yeah, now you got a understanding.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: By the way, forgot about this memory. I knew nothing about lacrosse, in high school or college. And I went to Maryland...

Kyle Harrison: We never played you guys in lacrosse...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I don't think we had a team. We didn't have a team.

Kyle Harrison: Oh, okay. In high school? Got it. Got it, got it, got it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Now they do.

Kyle Harrison: Got it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: But I remember Hopkins plays Maryland. And I'm a schmuck at Maryland.

Kyle Harrison: Don't call yourself that. You're a good... You know...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: A schmuck's not so bad. Schmuck's not...

Kyle Harrison: Oh. It's not a bad...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: No, I know it's not good...

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I mean like a clown. I'm a clown at Maryland.

Kyle Harrison: Got it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And I'm like, "I know a guy on the Hopkins team. I knew of a guy on the Hopkins team." I just remember going to, it was Byrd Stadium at the time, I didn't know what I was watching but I went to watch Kyle Harrison, Hopkins play Maryland, which was like '01, I guess, or '02.

Kyle Harrison: '02. It was freshman year.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Of course you remember that. Did you play well?

Kyle Harrison: I did.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Hell yeah.

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: But I remember being mesmerized by that.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: It's an impressive sport. And that's why it's so rapidly growing. I just cannot wait for that sports science side to come along, and it's coming along with lacrosse.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Because of a lot of powerhouses. One is the Jay Dyers of the world, who're just pushing to get it there and guys like you.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And guys who are training religiously. Anyway, I don't remember how we got onto that tangent, but I know a little bit of lacrosse, definitely know how to rehab it. And it's a fascinating sport. Okay, ready? Lightning round.

Kyle Harrison: I'm prepared, I think. We'll see.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Okay. What's the last book you read that was powerful?

Kyle Harrison: "The Little Blue Truck."

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Ooh. By?

Kyle Harrison: I can't remember who it's by. No, it's my son's book.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: "Little Blue Truck."

Kyle Harrison: You should read it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Okay. On it.

Kyle Harrison: It's all about a bunch of little friends helping push this little blue truck out of the mud and how you need everybody to help you push it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Good freaking answer. I didn't even give you these questions prior.

[chuckle]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Okay. Number two, best lacrosse player you've ever played against. Don't say Paul Rabil.

[laughter]

Kyle Harrison: Ever played against? Wait, I know it's lighting round, but you gotta be more specific. Like guarded me or the best player on the other team?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Guarded you.

Kyle Harrison: Brodie Merrill.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Good answer. Good dude too.

Kyle Harrison: Oh, an all-time.

Kyle Harrison: How's that for no one lacks?

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah. Okay. Best sports movie of all time?

Kyle Harrison: Best? I gotta go with, Remember the Titans.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Wrong, Field of Dreams, but fine.

Kyle Harrison: Never seen it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Okay. Dude, I've seen every lacrosse movie.

Kyle Harrison: I haven't seen it all the way through, man. It's been on TBS sometimes and I've been like, "All right, let me catch 20 minutes of this joint." But I've never seen all the way through. But because of the face you just made, you have my word, I'll watch it before the summer's over...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Appreciate that. And I actually believe you.

Kyle Harrison: Oh, I wouldn't lie to you.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Last time you were starstruck?

Kyle Harrison: Oh, I actually do know where it was. It was the UNINTERRUPTED ESPY's party last year. Serena Williams.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah.

Kyle Harrison: And people were going up... 'Cause I'm a massive fan. People were going up and saying like, "I'm a big fan of all you've done," whatever, whatever. I couldn't bring myself to do it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Couldn't do it. You couldn't do it.

Kyle Harrison: I just stood in the background, just... [laughter] She's gotta be all-time top three athletes of all-time. Do you wanna get into the real argument?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I love the way you put that. 'Cause you didn't say female athletes.

Kyle Harrison: What? Hell no. Athletes of all-time. You'd be hard-pressed.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Top three.

Kyle Harrison: Give me better.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I think it's hard.

Kyle Harrison: I'll listen.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah. We would start with John Starks probably. So he's one.

Kyle Harrison: So you're trying to end the conversation.

[laughter]

Kyle Harrison: You've got enough. You're ready to go. Got it. You got enough. And you're trying to find your way out. Got it.

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That is a rabbit hole. Okay. Next. What do you wish sports physical therapists knew about rehabbing elite-level athletes?

Kyle Harrison: Honestly, it's a good question. I can only speak to the ones I've worked with. And you and your team are great at this. I think you guys probably already have this and so I could be preaching to a choir, but you have a unique understanding that we wanna get back, ASAP. Tomorrow, if possible, today if you could. And being candid about what the timeline is. I think at times in my career, early in my career... Late, I was with Mike Giunta from Evolution PT out West, 'cause I was in LA.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: He's been on the pod.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. And then late I was with you and your team, and you guys were so spot-on with the timeline and keeping it a buck from the beginning, so that mentally I can be working towards that. Now, if it shifts throughout the process, you're gonna let us know. But giving a realistic timeline from go, I think is so important because as an athlete, that's literally all I care about. I know how awful this is gonna be, you're sticking needles in my adductor and everything. I know how awful the next couple of months is gonna be. But I know that June 11th, I'm back on the field. And I can give a perfect example of my... Only surgery I had in my entire career was on my left ankle. I had, all the cartilage and ligaments were torn. They had been torn for like three or four years and it got to a point where it was just bone on bone, I couldn't go anymore. So I got surgery. This was so dumb of me. Had I checked it out months prior, I would've been back for the full season, but I got surgery in May. And I knew that was our best chance. That's the championship I won in 2017. I knew that was our best chance to win a championship. We had just lost in championship prior year.

Kyle Harrison: I was so effing mad at myself for not getting... And my wife had told me to get checked out right after the season. I didn't. And so surgery in May. And so, our training camp had started a week later, and then our season starts. And so the doc was like, "You will be playing by July 4th." And so in my head, that's all I cared about. That's all I cared about. I don't care about what's happening between now and then. The pain was awful. The scrubbing was awful. But come that game, I was on the field. I scored the first goal of the game, from a conference perspective, obviously that changed everything. And then the last goal of the game, I shook and then planted on that ankle and changed direction, scored, and all was right in the world. And I had forgotten about it. And we went on and we won a championship at the end of that season. But that timeline that I was given at the beginning is what set me mentally on the right path. Long-winded answer, but I'd say give real feedback, even if it sucks. If it's like a, "This is an eight-month deal." That sucks to hear, but at least I know, I would say tell them that from the beginning.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I love that, that's...

Kyle Harrison: I just wanna know.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That's really great advice. Your attention to detail, your memory, your ability to relate and connect and be present, there's so much to glean and learn from that. I appreciate you bringing that on the True Sports Physical Therapy Pod. Thanks for all you've taught me over the years.

Kyle Harrison: Oh, stop. I appreciate that. Wait. You're really about to end this? It didn't go...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: What do you mean? What didn't we cover?

[laughter]

Kyle Harrison: I don't know. You tell me.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: What did we not get through?

Kyle Harrison: You tell me.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Here's what I love. For those of you who don't know, Kyle Harrison and I go way back...

Kyle Harrison: Way back.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: To the hardwood. In 2000, we played against one another.

Kyle Harrison: You knew the year that quickly, huh?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Here's what I really love about you, Kyle. 'Cause this is...

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: What I love is all these accolades.

Kyle Harrison: Sure.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Lest I read through them again. You still walked into my office. Thankfully had no idea who I was when you walked in.

Kyle Harrison: Sure.

Kyle Harrison: But you're wearing a Friends shirt. And so I think I said something like, "Dude, we gotta talk about Friends."

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And so I brought up the fact that my Beth Tfiloh Warriors, my high school...

Kyle Harrison: Sure.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: People around the country have heard of Beth Tfiloh Warriors.

Kyle Harrison: People around the world. What do you mean people...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: People around the world. I love that. They defeated Kyle's Friends Quakers.

Kyle Harrison: Did, absolutely.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Now, from that point February 2000, when I met you, again, let's say in 2018 or '17 or something like that, you had done a few things in your life athletically.

Kyle Harrison: Sure.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: One would think that you had forgotten about that loss.

Kyle Harrison: No. No, of course not. I remember all of it.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Not only do you remember all of it, you remember the nauseating details?

Kyle Harrison: The details. Yeah. All of it. Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Now, we ended up winning by one point.

Kyle Harrison: You did.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Anything else you wanna share about that night?

Kyle Harrison: About that night... I thought you had a great night.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Thank you.

Kyle Harrison: I thought you played well.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yes.

Kyle Harrison: I was disappointed in the loss on our end.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yes. Let's get into the stat line that I put up..

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: If you remember.

Kyle Harrison: I don't remember.

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Just kidding.

Kyle Harrison: I don't remember.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: But we ended up winning by one point.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And you remembered every single freaking detail, including one dude who missed the foul shot, one dude who made a foul shot, one dude who made a buzzer beating three-pointer, which only brought you to within...

Kyle Harrison: Go on.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: One point...

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: To lose that game. And you were still pissed about it.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. I think when I look back on that run, we won the championship my freshman year, and...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Basketball.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah, in basketball. Shout-out for that team. CJ, Nixon, Coach Ryan, the whole crew...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: It was sick.

Kyle Harrison: Greg Kelly. We just went into the Hall of Fame, Friends for that team...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Hell yeah.

Kyle Harrison: Three weeks ago. And then we go to my senior year, and those two in between, those still are embedded in my head because I feel like we left something there.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You did.

Kyle Harrison: We missed a foul shot at the year before, airball foul shot...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That was a goof-up. That was...

Kyle Harrison: That was a goof-up.

[laughter]

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Of course...

Kyle Harrison: An airball foul shot. We left something on the court. That's all.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That's all.

Kyle Harrison: It was fun.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: We'll leave it there.

Kyle Harrison: You have nothing else to say?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I just appreciate you letting us win that game...

Kyle Harrison: Oh, stop that. That did not happen.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That definitely did not happen. Here's how I know that didn't happen because every picture from that night, I feel like it was taken on Polaroids. Every single picture has you just lurking in the background.

Kyle Harrison: Always.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Like trying to block the hell out of us.

Kyle Harrison: Always.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: And us just pump faking the hell out of you.

Kyle Harrison: Always. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Going up getting the foul and one.

Kyle Harrison: Sure.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Which just made it really easy to coast the victory.

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Look, you guys got your rings. Did you get rings from that?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I've... I'm...

Kyle Harrison: You gotta still talk... You still talk to all those guys?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I love those guys, and we talk a lot about Kyle Harrison.

Kyle Harrison: Do you talk, around, well, two months ago, like February every year?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: February 26th, every single year.

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: What? That's not... It's not a thing?

Kyle Harrison: No, it's a thing, for sure.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: That's a thing.

Kyle Harrison: That's a 100% thing, every year.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Let's just say, your name comes up in those chats.

Kyle Harrison: Does it?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Let me tell you...

Kyle Harrison: You have to invite me into it one year.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I would love that. I just sent you the screenshot.

[chuckle]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Here's a little tidbit. One of my buddies, Joe Rhondo, still my best friend. He wrote on his hand, "Stop number 20... "

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Before that championship. Who wore number 20?

Kyle Harrison: That was me. That was me wearing 20. Well, yeah... Well, look...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: We stopped you, Kyle.

Kyle Harrison: You did. I don't know how...

[laughter]

Kyle Harrison: Stat line was tight. I feel like the stat line was still tight.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: I think you know exactly what that stat line is...

Kyle Harrison: I do. I do. But we don't need to talk about it. You have to invite me to chat. February 26, 2024. I look forward to that.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah, come on in. We would love it. Thanks for, God, being so humble.

Kyle Harrison: Of course.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Thanks for giving Beth Tfiloh that ring.

[laughter]

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Appreciate that...

Kyle Harrison: So you did rings? You got rings?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah, rings... We got it all.

Kyle Harrison: You got it all?

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Yeah. Like duffels of cash...

Kyle Harrison: Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: From the boosters...

Kyle Harrison: Yeah, of course. [laughter] From the boosters. That's like...

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: You know what that's like..

Kyle Harrison: A C Conference booster.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: The C Conference boosters. Kyle, you've been a goddamn pleasure.

Kyle Harrison: Appreciate you, man. Appreciate you, buddy.

Dr. Yoni Rosenblatt: Nothing but success in the future. Can't wait to have you on again. Thanks for listening.

Kyle Harrison: You know it. Thanks for having me.

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